• 11 Nov 30th, 2017 at 3:03PM
    Lastest Reply: 1st Dec, 2017 12:21:22 AM
    This TLP was launched and then unlaunched by a mod. http://www.tvtropess.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=e7rquzoz6svht1u2fem9lx90

    I was planning to launch this since it has 15 hats and no bombs, before the other person launched it. I don't want to launch when I'm not supposed to, so why did it get unlaunched and how can I fix it so I can launch it? Reply

      Was that one of the ones being rogue launched a little while ago? If so, it was unlaunched simply as part of the cleanup and restoration efforts.

      As for being ready to launch, is there general agreement among participants that it's ready? Good description, solid, filled-out examples, etc.? If so, then it should be fine to launch.

      In my opinion, it looks great to me. :)

      Yes, "Unlaunched as it was rogue-launched without proper discussion," is the explanation. It had enough hats, but it's not always clear that the people in the discussion think it's good to launch unless there's someone asking "Is this good to launch?" etc. It looks fine to me, but you still want to ask people in the draft's discussion section because they may not go to ATT and may want to voice something (y'never know until you ask).

      I asked a few days ago but didnt get anyone answering (although I got a few more examples).

      2 days are not long enough unless you know the thread has a lot of activity right now.

      How is a thread with a 15-1 hat count not ready to launch?

      there have been drafts with bigger ratios that get sent back through the crash rescue. something can be popular, but not good. just the existence of the crash rescue proves that the mass of the hive mind doesn't always get pages right.

      So is there an extra "ask the mods for permission before launching tropes" step now?

      no, I was just suggesting reasons why a draft with 15 hats might not be ready to launch

      The hat-bomb system is broken. There's no real way to deny that in the present day. There was a huge reform discussion about it and they're working on fixing TLP. Right now, however, we have to live in this imperfect world where merely having a lot of hats means nothing about the launch-readiness of a given draft. Thus, prior to launching a draft, you should say something in the comment section so others can voice last minute agreement or salient concerns.

      ^I think if an admin unilaterally shoots down a trope that got 15 hats, they need to give notification of why and how to fix the problem.

      I don’t think the mods meant to shoot down that trope proposal. They just mass unlaunched all the tropes which were improperly launched.

      And, yes, the hat/bomb system seems to be broken. It seems a hat has come to mean just ”I like this? not ”this is ready to launch?
  • 3 Nov 30th, 2017 at 7:07PM
    Lastest Reply: 30th Nov, 2017 10:36:17 PM
    http://www.tvtropess.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/YMMV/ChoushinseiFlashman Ensemble Darkhorse: For some reason, Sara is quite popular amongst the audience. It helps that her Flash Star outfit are pretty revealing for the standards of Super Sentai at that time (Panty Shot and revealing her chest above her boobs, although they're not that big), plus being eventually revealed as Tokimura's daughter, giving her most of the drama and nearly stole the show from Jin in the last episodes.

    Do we REALLY need to know that Mr Troper? I think the fanservice part can be easily removed with no net loss of value.

    Ick. Reply

      That entry doesn't have the best of grammar either...

      Somewhat off-topic. But I think the most standout "character" in Flashman isn't Sara but the Flash King. Whenever you talk about the series, someone has to mention it.

      I fucking love you Kuruni. I love the Flash King. Especially its song. FURASSHU! FURASSHU! FURASSHU KINGU!
  • 6 Nov 20th, 2017 at 3:03PM
    Lastest Reply: 30th Nov, 2017 09:21:15 PM
    Dr Psyche sent me a message, but it doesn't have a subject, so I can't access it. Did something happen to my PMs? All of my other messages are fine. Reply

      Hmmm, that's odd. A subject is supposed to be required, so that may be an issue. It's possible that blank characters are used as the subject.

      I'll relay this to the devs.

      Bump.

      For the time being, how about politely explain and ask them to send you another PM? It might be faster than waiting for devs to fix it.

      ...Why didn't I think of that?

      Because it's right in front of you? :p

      Hey mods, would you happen to know the id number for the message? I just realized that I might be able to access it that way.
  • 1 Nov 30th, 2017 at 6:06PM
    Lastest Reply: 30th Nov, 2017 07:31:37 PM
    when presented with the elements of the story generator do you have to use all of them or some of them to get inspiration? Reply

      completely up to you. It's just a fun tool.
  • 2 Nov 29th, 2017 at 7:07PM
    Lastest Reply: 30th Nov, 2017 06:13:45 PM
    I understand that the "Hot Mom / Dad" page(s) must be In-Universe only so would it make more sense for it / them to be on the splinter group site, fetish fuel wiki, rather than in the permanent red link club? It would be more reasonable considering that if this site is a library then the fetish fuel wiki is a book group meeting in a secluded area outside. Reply

      Hot Parent is a thing that happens in G-Rated works. It's only fetish fuel if someone makes it that.

      Also, TVT has NO affiliations at all with that site. It may have been started by people who were peeved at the tightening of standards (see first and second Google incidents) and the removal of frankly Percy stuff from the site, but they are two independent sites.

      this question sounds very much like spam, request a lock
  • 4 Nov 30th, 2017 at 12:12AM
    Lastest Reply: 30th Nov, 2017 06:08:54 PM
    Does anyone else agree that List of Badass Tropes should be renamed to just Badass Tropes? Because the current title sounds weird, no other article on this wiki starts with "List of", it's more appropriate for a Wikipedia page. Reply

      We should clean up the tropes themselves before worrying about the index.

      I think that may have been intentional to avoid the "Badass X" snowclone. Also, "Badass Tropes" implies that these are tropes that are awesome or amazing — that they are badass. Rather than being about tropes about badass stuff or characters. That said, "List of Badass Tropes" isn't much better, but we should finish cleaning the individual tropes before worrying so much about the index.

      For reference, the existing Badass cleanup thread is here.

      edit: basically already said above
  • 2 Nov 30th, 2017 at 4:04PM
    Lastest Reply: 30th Nov, 2017 05:57:37 PM
    The draft LGBT Self-Discovery has been attracting random discards and it was discarded for a third (fourth?) time without any comment. I don't know if it has been the same troper each time, but the most recent time was a mass discard spree by AHI-3000. I've looked at the drafts he discarded and I agree with all but this one. That said, silently discarding (i.e. not saying anything ahead of time) does not seem kosher. It isn't this troper's responsibility to discard drafts and it seems like he takes the TLP a bit... like his hangout. I say that knowing that he discards and launches drafts without comment from time to time.

    If this particular draft wasn't having a silent discarder perennially discarding it, I honestly wouldn't think to comment about this since AHI-3000 usually seems in the right to discard what he does discard. But we — the people participating in that draft — seem to be in agreement that it isn't a duplicate, which was the main concern for that draft. Reply

      It's not just that draft. AHI-3000 discards basically all drafts with 5 bombs, and even though I've asked them to slow down and maybe read the comments to see if it's appropriate to discard (draft may have improved, or at least have other discussions ongoing) at least twice (they didn't respond to at least one, and for the most recent gave a snarky response saying "I'm sorry, is something wrong, I'm doing TLP a favor" or something like that), obviously they're still doing it.

      My main concern, why I've messaged them before, is that this troper never contributes to discussion at all, then swoops in to hit delete without so much as checking if it's ok. It's been happening for a few years: every two weeks, a new page and a half of discards will appear in short order with AHI-3000 beside it. the current page 3 is at least 60% this guy
  • 17 Nov 27th, 2017 at 6:06PM
    Lastest Reply: 30th Nov, 2017 05:33:04 PM
    There's some strange formatting thing going on with the folders in YMMV.Steven Universe, where the "A" folder is an entire space apart from the "B-C" folder. I've tried to fix it, but no luck. Reply

      I see nothing strange about the page myself. All the folders are the same distance apart.

      If you're on mobile, it puts an advertisement between the two folders, leaving a gap even when the ad isn't there

      It seems to be happening with other pages, too. The character page for The Looney Tunes Show also has the issue, and it's showing up on the desktop version for me.

      Just to clarify, I'm on desktop.

      I tried to repair it too, but now the problem is worse. The B-C folder makes a space between it and D-E.

      Please use the 'Report this ad' link if it's visible to help us ID these. We don't run interstitials so it must be misbehaving ad code. We can only do something about it if we can identify which ads are responsible.

      Just reported one, it was something called Zoolights

      Zoo lights are literally that -Christmas light displays at zoos. I'm sure the zoos in question would be quite perturbed, since crappy ad behavior is a turnoff to the product or service -and zoos need the money.

      I don't live near a zoo so it doesn't really matter - aren't the ads supposed to be somewhat search related?

      I file that under possible day tripping/visiting family. I get stuff for things that would be an all day round trip.

      Ads that interrupt what you are doing/reading are annoying.

      That said, I think this thread has served its purpose and can be locked.

      This issue is still there for me. I'm on desktop.

      Per the admins, interstitial ads are indeed part of our site's design, and intended. (Sorry for earlier misinformation.) If you're blocking ads, they'll show up as blank spaces between folders or between the example header and the examples.

      The placement coding may be a bit wonky, which is something they're working on in the beta site.

      Actually, the blank space between folders only shows up when I'm not blocking ads. I turned on the ad blocker, refreshed, and everything looked fine. Then I turned it off and the space was there again.

      So it seems that the banner ad simply doesn't show up at all for me.

      I'm starting to see interstitial ads on mobile, and I can confirm seeing the gap between "A" and "B-C" on the linked page while I'm on desktop. I'll try to see if I see the ad on mobile later.

      Same. I'm on a laptop with no adblock and saw the same gap problem on Characters.Super Monkey Ball.

      (edit: double post)

      I never use ad block (unless deliberately disabling Flash counts), and I see them on Chrome Mobile and my laptop, also Chrome.

      This isn't the only site with this issue, either. Ask a Manager's comment sections have the same problem, as does the Wordpress site a friend has up for their fiction. (Invite only. Sorry.) :(

      Interesting thing to note: I have limited data on the current house plan and my phone. So I may load several pages while online somewhere, especially on my laptop, to read while offline.

      Blank ad spaces are more likely to show with a bad connection (looking at you, grocery store), or when I'm offline. The ads are more likely to be seen online with a good connection.
  • 7 Nov 29th, 2017 at 4:04PM
    Lastest Reply: 30th Nov, 2017 05:26:05 PM
    i4wpuw6sh8 is making a few odd drafts in TLP and because their username is gibberish, I can't help but suspect them of being somebody's sock. (I don't know whose. It's just a strange username.) Here's a link to their edit history (starts 22 October 2017): link.

    TLP drafts:

    Other issues: Reply

      Sockpuppet? Has an interest in wrestling, batman villains, and making bad yks. Only been active for a month. Someone can probably narrow that down.

      Discarded the two already existing tlp drafts.

      Eh, mods can do IP checks. (You'd think ban evader would learn...)

      They'll get tapped on the shoulder fast enough. In the meantime, I recommend notifiers, at the least for the Natter.

      The user has been suspended. Puppet check is not totally conclusive but we can pretty much rule out them being certain repeat ban evaders.

      Reverting some of these edits, especially the unilateral changes to descriptions.

      I'm tempted to remove what they put on No Fourth Wall, as it looks like that paragraph is a response to the ones above it.

      ^^ Well, looks like Fighteer's comments rule out this being johnnyfog. Based on your mention of wrestling, lakingsif, that made me think this was him. Again.

      Originally, I thought it might be 108names due to the spike in activity on 22 November due to the unilateral changes to trope descriptions (108names being banned on the 17th), but 108names also created a bunch of "he to them" changes and created Laconic/ pages.

      Anyway, the No Fourth Wall entry seems to build into the head bullet. "There's no fourth wall in the ring," says the first bullet, and then the sub-bullet basically says "This is inverted out of the ring." Not sure if that's worth its own head bullet or to stay in the sub-bullet, but I think it's of equal validity as the "in the ring" entry.

      If it's Natter, Word Cruft, or otherwise unnecessary to understand the example, go ahead and nuke it.
  • 14 Nov 28th, 2017 at 8:08AM
    Webcomic
    Lastest Reply: 30th Nov, 2017 04:07:17 PM
    A while back I created the page for DNA. I think it needs to be moved because their are some unrelated works with the same name that also have pages. Although I am not sure what to move it to. Also I have never moved a page before. I was thinking of moving it to WebComic/DNATheWebComic. Is there being works pages with the same name for unrelated works a good reason to move it? And if so, what should I move it to? Reply

      Generally yes, moving unrelated works that share a name is a good idea because otherwise subpages for said works will end up colliding. As for what to move it to, usually they're disambiguated by year of release, but that's not a hard rule, any name that logically fits should do.

      Ok. I will move it to WebComic/DNATheWebComic

      Just IMO, that title is... goofy. Maybe just DNA (Web Comic) or DNA (year) would be better

      dnathewebcomic.com is the website that the comic is located on, although the title of the comic is just DNA. On some other websites it is also called Project: DNA but not on the main website. I don't think that DNA (year) is right. I could also move it to DNA (author's name).

      DNA (webcomic) is right. I don't think that authors of webcomics are common knowledge.

      Under normal circumstances, duplication of the namespace for disambiguation is a very bad idea. However, because the URL itself uses "DNA The Web Comic", it's certainly an option in this case.

      With that being said, I object to WebComic/DNAWebComic specifically, because the URL uses the "The" and so should we.

      So DNA The Webcomic?

      ^ Not in Main namespace obviously, but yes.

      So should I move it to WebComic/DNATheWebComic or WebComic/DNAWebComic?

      Since the URL of the site is DNATheWebComic.com, I think our page being DNA The Web Comic makes more sense.

      Please note that the namespace is Webcomic/, not WebComic/

      And is the subpage collision so grave that it needs this split? Unless there is two webcomics by the same name, splitting to a different title is not encouraged. Subpages can just be divided in sections, one for the webcomic, one for other works...

      Now I am even more confused about what to do. I am getting so many different responses telling me different things.

      Also I thought it was WebComic not Webcomic. I have seen it done both ways but I thought that the former was the correct way.

      Oh, ok. I read the link. I will remember to capitalize it correctly if I move it.

      ^^^There's the annoyance factor when it comes to renaming pages. If I'm reading about Web Comic Alice and Bob Ride the Dragon, I personally Do Not Like running into examples for the completely different work Literature Alice and Bob Ride the Dragon. And vice versa.

      Edit: that includes properly folderized and separated examples. I'm picky that way.
  • 1 Nov 30th, 2017 at 12:12PM
    Lastest Reply: 30th Nov, 2017 02:15:57 PM
    Whenever I try to post in the forums and I click the markup help button the button doesn't work at all because in the past it would show users how to change their text and so forth so I was curious why that has changed? Reply

      You can still go to Text Formatting Rules to see the markup. It not appearing on the edit form in some cases is a known bug that will be fixed in the next site update.
  • 1 Nov 30th, 2017 at 12:12PM
    Anime
    Lastest Reply: 30th Nov, 2017 12:12:11 PM
    It was a cartoon kinda like avatar style with a red spaceship ( the colour can be different ) but its shaped with two points on the front. There was a boy and a girl that can bend some kind of source. But they cant bend when its sunlight or night. And the boy learned somehow to bend in the sunlight or night. In the end of the show the spaceship explodes i think.

    Please someone help me to find the name Reply
  • 0 Nov 30th, 2017 at 12:12PM
    Firstly spam was posted here

    In a separate issue, after being told to take a question to Trope Talk, ranko appears to misunderstood and posted it to the discussion page of the Main/TropeTalk page rather then the forums so they may need pointing in the right direction Reply
  • 1 Nov 30th, 2017 at 10:10AM
    Lastest Reply: 30th Nov, 2017 11:15:57 AM
    The troper Betti appears to be a vandal account. I just undid a large edit on VeggieTales for a mass vandalism. Here is their edit history, with another fake edit. I cutlisted the page with a fake synopsis pasted into it. Reply

      They tried to add a recap of Shrek, but were so clueless about how to do so that they put it into completely unrelated articles. They are now banned.
  • 3 Sep 25th, 2017 at 2:02PM
    Lastest Reply: 30th Nov, 2017 06:45:28 AM
    Gowan seems to have a couple of Single Issues Wonks regarding rape and gender identity. Edit history

    I sent a natter notifier based on the update made to Victoria's Secret Compartment (adding a second level bullet to respond to an example).

    Victoria's Secret Compartment History

    However, The update to Which Restroom Dilemma also comes across as preachy.

    Which Restroom Dilemma History

    Another user deleted some natter from Tautological Templar , but I'm not sure if a notifier was sent (September 15 edits) Tautological Templar History Reply
  • 7 Nov 29th, 2017 at 7:07AM
    Lastest Reply: 30th Nov, 2017 06:23:58 AM
    I noticed that our page for the series ''Quincy M.E. is just titled "Quincy", but even The Other Wiki uses the Quincy M.E. title, so does the show's title card. Should we change our page and wicks to reflect this? Reply

      That's probably a good change. Make sure to move all the wicks and leave a redirect.

      It has been a long time since I did one of these, so just to check the procedure: Copy the content of the Quincy page into a new page Quincy, M.E., then replace the text in the former with the [[redirect:Series/QuincyME]] code, and submit a Custom Title Request to make sure the ME part gets the full stops added to be M.E. Then go through the related list and change all the wicks.

      I just want to make sure I do it correct, like I say, been a long time.

      Yep, sounds correct.

      Okay, I've done the redirect and text copy, submitted the custom title request, and started on moving the wicks. I'm not going to be able to get them all done today though. I've only managed about a dozen and am already catching myself making silly errors so it will take a couple of days to get them all shifted, I hope that is okay.

      How do I get the subpages transferred?

      I think you have to recreate them, since it's a matter of changing them all from Quincy to Quincy ME.

      Ah. Thank you. I'll do those when I've done the wicks, which will take me a few days I'm afraid, but I will get it all done.
  • 4 Nov 29th, 2017 at 3:03PM
    Lastest Reply: 30th Nov, 2017 06:06:57 AM
    James Austin just removed the page quote from Malavita without leaving an edit reason. I'm assuming that because the quote was "fuck" he thought it was ok to kill it, but it's a quote, the arc word of the movie, and this wiki is not a prude nor allows people making edits because they don't like words. I'm going to put the quote back, I don't know what kind of pm to send James Austin, though. Reply

      Also looking at his edit history, he did a unilateral change on Michelle Pfeiffer from the filmography being a list of her notable works, to just a list of works with pages at TVT — going so far as to delete the comment note saying to leave red links so that it gives the pages a chance to be made. Not cool, bro.

      A Bowldlerize issue notifier would be a good idea.

      ^ I couldn't see it in the template list on the notifier, is it under a different name?

      Edit: no, I just scrolled too quickly. Found it and sent.

      The list one counts as making a big change without discussion. Quotes go through a thread in the forums.
  • 2 Nov 30th, 2017 at 3:03AM
    Lastest Reply: 30th Nov, 2017 05:54:47 AM
    In the replay in my question they gave me a link " talk trope",but how can I ask my question there? Reply

      You go to the Trope Talk forum and at the bottom you click "create a new conversation".

      Wrong thread, my apologies.
  • 2 Nov 29th, 2017 at 10:10PM
    Lastest Reply: 30th Nov, 2017 12:10:31 AM
    In TV tropes about Mary Sue, there is a line that says ( As this essay reveals, suspiciously Mary Sue-like characters were noted in subscriber-submitted articles for 19th-century childrens' magazines, making this trope Older Than You Think. )

    Before that line there was this line first : ( The name "Mary Sue" comes from the 1974 Star Trek fanfic A Trekkie's Tale. Originally written as a parody of the standard Self-Insert Fic of the time (as opposed to any particular traits), the name was quickly adopted by the Star Trek fanfiction community. Its original meaning mostly held that it was an Always Female Author Avatar, regardless of character role or perceived quality )

    The essay reveals was this : http://www.tvtropess.org/papers/MARYSUE.xhtml

    While the " older than you think " was this : http://www.tvtropess.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OlderThanTheyThink

    From what I understood the trope name it self or the term name it self wasn't there in 19-th-century, because from reading the first link they meant that the too perfect characters was there back then but the term Mary Sue it self wasn't created yet, but there was Mary Sues without the term being there, is that right ? Did I get it right ?.

    And that what they wrote in the first link - The essay reveals - In the 19-cetunry part was this : ( Nineteenth-century versions appear in the pages of Robert Merry’s Museum. Founded in 1841 by Samuel Goodrich, by the time the magazine was absorbed by the Youth’s Companion in 1872 it had featured works by every major nineteenth-century American writer for children, from Goodrich to Alcott, Jacob Abbott, Mary Mapes Dodge, and Sophie May. It also published works by lesser literary lights, most notably the subscribers themselves, who made the magazine their own from 1857 to 1868. While boys tended to write non-fiction articles, girls most often wrote stories and poems—some about wonderful girls whose accomplishments and charms are tangibly appreciated by those around them. Emily Martin, who in 1862 saves a sleeping Indian chief from certain death by bear; Maia, whose gentleness and kindness are extolled by animals and elves in 1858; Unella, a white child raised by Native Americans in 1865, so lovable that she holds the entire village in a gentle thralldom; even little Ellen, who dies beautifully of her mother’s thoughtlessness in 1849—all have elements we associate with Mary Sue. )

    which means from my understanding that there was Mary Sues in 19-century but the term it self the name of this trope it self wasn't there, the Mary Sue characters was there back then in 19-th-century making Mary Sue thing older than we think but not the name " Mary Sue " there was just too perfect characters nothing more or less, which means too perfect characters was always there, which we call them in our days Mary Sue by a someone in a fandom and the silly things start to came out after 70's and some people took this term too far, so since we have a term of too perfect character, even in 19-century, characters who are too perfect we can call them in our days Mary Sues, even if the term wasn't there back then, but the too perfect was still there, so originally the term Is made up, the too perfect was there even before the reason of this term came out in 70's, Mary Sues was still there even without the name of the trope or the term in the 19-th-century I really hope you answer me with simple small answer, thank you.

    Note : if you want to know more about that to help me, here is Mary Sue trope link http://www.tvtropess.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MarySue ) Reply

      Please answer me with a short question if I get it right or wrong without more information about that, or about this trope or this term, the only one thing I need to know did I get it right or wrong ? Since I'm not too good at English.

      Punting this to Trope Talk.
  • 18 Nov 26th, 2017 at 5:05PM
    Film
    Lastest Reply: 29th Nov, 2017 07:42:41 PM
    Le Cercle Rouge is on the wiki as The Red Circle. Normally I am not the type to insist a foreign film be listed under its original title, but this one does seem to be known more as Le Circle Rouge. Wikipedia, IMDB, the out-of-print Criterion Collection DVD, Roger Ebert's review, Rotten Tomatoes... Reply

      We can probably make the native title a redirect.

      Although, I checked another foreign film on the wiki and its title is in its native language, so who knows what should be done here.

      It may be helpful to see the "health" of these pages.


      I just made five of those wicks to Le Cercle Rouge, BTW, all but the link from the Empire 500 Greatest Movies Of All Time list.

      As for "what to do", I always understood the rule to be that a work should be referred to by its title in English-language markets. For example Kurosawa's Seven Samurai is called that on the wiki and not Shinchinin no Samurai because, well, that's what it's called in the Anglosphere, whereas Ikiru is called that because no one calls it To Live. And I would think that this one should be called Le Circle Rouge because that seems to be the title it was marketed under.

      Our policy is "most recent official English-language name". What, exactly, was the film released as in the English language?

      ^Am handicapped by the fact that the film is 47 years old and seems to not have received any wide release in the Anglosphere until 2003. But there doesn't seem to be much evidence anyone's called it anything other than Le Cercle Rouge. See Roger Ebert 2003 review.

      EDIT: Well ok, a review from a 1993 release in New York that was dubbed into English, called The Red Circle.

      So, to summarize:

      • Released in 1970 as Le Cercle Rouge, of course.
      • Apparently got some sort of limited release in the Anglosphere in 1993, dubbed, and titled The Red Circle.
      • Got what seems to be a release of the original theatrical cut in 2003, in the Anglosphere, as Le Cercle Rouge.
      • Seems to be mostly referred to as Le Cercle Rouge since then. Wikipedia and IMDB call it Le Cercle Rouge, the now out-of-print Criterion video release calls it Le Cercle Rouge.

      Seems like a name change is merited.

      ?

      You don't need to bump your topic that often. Be patient. 3 hours isn't that long, and it's not an emergency or super important thing to change(like a spammer/vandal/edit warrer).

      There's no "seems". Either it had the release or not. First, The Red Circle is still more known here. Second, you need hard proof it's the current version, not just a "guess". Until you have hard proof, it should stay as the latest version for now.

      From the research you've provided,
      • Got what seems to be a release of the original theatrical cut in 2003, in the Anglosphere, as Le Cercle Rouge.
      Seems to be the most recent English release. We don't use Wikipedia/IMDB as primary sources.

      It's the rhetoric of "seems." Here is a link to metacritic for the 2003 re-release: metacritic link. Here's the Ebert review (2003 re-release): Ebert link. I think it's safe to say that it was re-released in 2003 as the French title.

      I can get behind a move. Note that Film.The Red Circle has got 3 more inbounds since two days ago, so it's still a bit active and the move may grow some inbounds if we do it clean enough. (That is, copy-paste and then make it a redirect, not the other way around.)

      Second, you need hard proof it's the current version

      I have pointed out on this thread that the film was released in 2003 as Le Circle Rouge and was released on DVD by Criterion as Le Circle Rouge.

      It's because you cited nothing. You're just providing claims without evidence to back it up. Citing your sources is important when making these kinds of claims. However, somebody else did, so the issue is resolved. Please cite proper sources next time so we can make sure the source isn't dubious in itself, providing correct and accurate information. This is very important for this wiki, especially when making major page changes. We use the officially latest dub name. That means that it should be easy to cite the latest official release, using a proper source. If one isn't found, we can't really see for sure if it's true or not. When somebody makes a claim, it's up to them to back it up. Citing your sources, simply put, is backing it up. Hopefully that makes the most sense.

      It's because you cited nothing.

      Incorrect. I cited in my initial post the latest DVD release as well as a Roger Ebert review. I then linked to the Roger Ebert review in my third post on this thread.

      Please cite proper sources next time

      Just like I did this time! Sweet.

      Cut request for The Red Circle declined. I request to be allowed to make The Red Circle a redirect to Le Cercle Rouge.

      Right. Film.The Red Circle has an active inbound count of over 250 inbounds. Just redirect it to the page that's been moved.

      Hang on. Was the this DVD re-release a dub or the original French version with subtitles? For example, the version being sold on Amazon USA appears to be only subtitled, not dubbed. Does a subbed version actually displace a dubbed version with an English-language title when we're looking at "English-language" releases?

      This wiki is agnostic on the Subbing vs. Dubbing war. A newer release in English, whether Spoken, Subtitled, or in Braille, trumps all previous English releases. Concurrently English released works tend to get analyzed on a case-by-case basis.

      ^^There has never been a dubbed home video release. The dubbed version was a 1993 theatrical release. The only home video release is the Criterion DVD titled Le Cercle Rouge.

      BTW the re-direct has already been done by some kind person who saved me the trouble. I think this topic can be closed.
  • 5 Nov 28th, 2017 at 5:05PM
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    Lastest Reply: 29th Nov, 2017 03:16:57 PM

    Is tbe last line in this example correct? It popped out at me and thought of making it more neutral but I don't know it's accurate or not.

    From We're Still Relevant, Dammit!:

    • The show is not at all immune to falling victim to this trope unintentionally, as many 2000s episodes feature topics that have long since faded to obscurity. For example, one late 2000s episode was about the Jonas Brothers purity ring controversy. Most people nowadays don't remember who the Jonas Brothers even are.

    Have they fallen into obscurity or not? I don't consider them too, but then again I was in their target audience age group so my vision may be clouded. They were really big for several years, at least in America. Reply

      Speaking anecdotally, I doubt anyone I know would be able to name any of the Jonas Brothers, but I do think most of them would be vaguely aware that they were a boy band.

      So broadly speaking I can see where the example is coming from, but it's a bit exaggerated.

      Well, I do recall them from these way-too-heavy-on-romance-and-way-too-thin-on-other-aspects-of-adolescence teen shows. So. But I only recall one or two names.

      I've heard of them. Vaguely. (Shrug)

      That said, it's a massive shoehorn.

      It doesn't matter that they're irrelevant now, what matters is them trying to stay relevant during the show's run. Basically it's shoehorning (the already overly-broad, in my opinion) Unintentional Period Piece into a more negative item.

      I'd honestly say delete that whole example. Nowadays you don't see them trying to advertise their previous work, which would be correct usage. No, Kevin has disappeared from the limelight, Nick is on Broadway, and Joe is in DNCE
  • 5 Nov 29th, 2017 at 11:11AM
    Lastest Reply: 29th Nov, 2017 02:47:27 PM
    How do you adjust the size that you are viewing tv tropes as i zoomed in and want to put my viewing size on my phone back to normal. Do you know how to put it back as I'm New to the site and don't know how to do that. Reply

      This might depend on the phone. Have you tried pinch zooming in and out?

      Sort of its now in another format and has made it really big. With you unable to see the message that posters tend to have at the bottom of there posts.

      Are you viewing the mobile version or did you (maybe by accident) click on "Request desktop site" in your browser? That might alter the looks.

      And are you running Java Script (can be disabled either by extensions/add-ons or by your browser settings)? You need to at least allow www.tvtropess.org, plus some others which I don't remember, for the page to load smoothly.

      And sometimes you just need to reload a page or tab.

      ^ Yes, especially on the forums if you just posted a new post and immediately want to edit that. And if you uploaded an image and want to load another one.
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